Scott the Red, Holding Firm on Doc

Scott Rolen was having a fantastic season as a Jay in 2009.  As mentioned in previous posts, he made some necessary adjustments to his approach at the plate and became more of a contact hitter.  The result was a steady .320 average, and a 28 game hitting streakRock copy copy.jpg mid-season.

Rolen was a true professional, and he will be missed in Toronto.  Especially the hilarious commerical during Jays games where Rolen is at a drive through window ordering a burger.  

Well, you always have to give value, to get value and I believe the Jays were able to do that this trade deadline.  In the deal the Jays were able to acquire third baseman Edwin Encarnacion, relief pitcher Josh Roenicke, and relief/starting pitching prospect Zach Stewart

Aquiring Edwin Encarnacion in the deal is a little bit of a risk.  We don’t know what we are going to get from this guy??  He had very good year at the plate last season, but 2009 has seen Edwin hampered by injury and struggling at the dish.  Defensively the Jays will definately take a hit, as Encarnacion cannot ‘hold a candle’ to perennial Gold-Glove candidate Scott Rolen.  With this deal, the Jays make third base possibly a problem area in the future.  I don’t think anyone is envisioning Encarnacion in our long-term future … right now at least. 

Roenicke is a young hard throwing reliever that could be inserted into the Jays pen ASAP.  With closing issues, set-up issues and overall wear and tear on the pen this season, Roenicke will provide some needed depth to the pen.  Who knows?  He could even step up to the closer role at some point???

Zach Stewart is another hard throwing youngster.  It is always nice to see the Jays aquire a young player that has succeeded everywhere he has played in the minors!  Stewart sports a 1.67 ERA at three minor league levels this year.  He relieved 9 games in AAA, and managed to pitch at a 0.79 ERA clip, getting a couple of 2 inning saves.  Stewart also started 14 games at the between class A and AA this season, doing very well in those starts.  Sources say the Jays may be primarily looking at him as a starter.  Starter or reliever, Stewart looks to be a valuable asset for the Jays moving forward.

Quite frankly, I can’t wait to see the young, hard-chucking Texas boy pitch!!  Yee-Haw!  Sorry, I sometimes spontaneously combust over new New Blue Jay talent.

I will miss Scott ‘the rock,’ but I’m glad the Jays made this deal.  At least it is something! 


Come 2010, we will see where we are in terms of the standings, and replay this Halladay thing all over again.  Blah!  I know you all can’t wait. 

All sources indicated that we could only get ‘one’ solid prospect out of a Halladay trade.  J.P. Ricciardi was looking for much more than that, and Halladay deserved much more that in my opinion.

With the offers that were apparently presented to us, I don’t see why we couldn’t get similar offers next season?  The Jays were only getting presented with one legitimate guy, and a couple of low-to-mid level prospects.  No doubt, we would get the same next season in Halladay’s contract year.  We will see in 2010, barring any Blue Jay playoff run.  What Doc will command in 2010?  He will at least be worth ‘one’ good prospect next season.  Mark my words!  Mark’em.   

I’m on J.P.’s side with this Rolen deal, and holding firm on Halladay … On the Record.        


  1. welikeroywelikeroy


    Ya, I do think so, but I’d rather them play out the 2010 season to the deadline. If a team offers a handful of primere prospects, then I’d say make the deal. The thing is, we weren’t offered anything like that! I’m sure that we be able to get at least one ‘nice’ prospect at the deadline in 2010. Not as much as we were offered this year, but pretty close I’d say. I personally was optimistic that teams would bet the farm trying to get Halladay. He is like the Arod or Pujols of pitchers …. right??? But other teams didn’t think so!

    We all know that Halladay and the Jays have a bleak outlook on our future, so Halladay is definately not going to re-sign with us if we keep losing.

    I’d prefer if the Jays held out for a big offer in the offseason, and if we aren’t winning in 2010, try to move him by the dealine for an offer similar to what we got this dealine. I think we’d still be able to get it! That is why I like the way J.P. held firm though this process.

  2. redstatebluestate

    I read somewhere that JP traded Rolen ‘cuz he asked to be traded (for some personal reasons). Any indication as to what those were? Doesn’t sound very ‘professional’ from my vantage point. I gotta say, everywhere Rolen has gone he has caused problems. They hated him in Philly. He got into disagreements with LaRussa in STL (LARUSSA! Perhaps one of the top three managers of ALL TIME) and now in Toronto he wasn’t happy for whatever reason. In my opinion, good season or not, Rolen is sort of a cancer that everyone just puts up with while he’s doing well.

  3. Jane Heller

    I bet you’re so relieved that the whole Halladay soap opera is over (for now, anyway). Unfortunately, it probably means he’ll pitch great for the rest of the season, including on Tuesday when the Yankees face him. Scary prospect!

  4. welikeroywelikeroy


    There most certainly is truth to that rumour. J.P. verified it, so I guess it is not a rumour. Rolen told J.P. that he would like to play somewhere close to his family for personal reasons. No indications that he didn’t like playing in Toronto, or was disgruntled.

    What I don’t get is how a player can just ask that? Because to me it doesn’t seem like a demand from what I’ve heard. Rolen was overjoyed that we did that him, but I don’t think he expected it. He would have been just as happy playing out his contract with the Jays, I believe?

    A funny situation. I don’t think we know the whole story yet. What if J.P. said no to him?? I know he wouldn’t because the Jays are obviously rebuilding anyway, but what if?.

    I bet your suspecsion might be right. The might have been some complaining??

    I got these Rolen quotes from Blue Jay beat writer Jordan Bastian’s blog about the whole situation … with Jordan’s opinion at the end:

    “When I was in St. Louis, I was real comfortable in that area. I have a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old, and my wife and parents travel quite a bit, my brother lives in this area. I’ve always wanted to try and finish up at home or get back to this area, this part of the country. I did approach J.P. [Ricciardi] and asked if he would consider moving me back to this area, to the Midwest.

    “[Cincinnati] certainly would be my number one choice. J.P. approached me at one point and said he would look into it and try to accommodate me. I know he worked real hard, and I know Walt worked hard. I’m very thankful and appreciative for the opportunity to get back to where I’m from, to where my family is.”

    So, there you have it. And, hey, as a Chicagoan who has been living in Toronto for a number of years now, as great of a city as it is, it isn’t home and that aspect can be hard on a family. Now, one could argue that Rolen should be thrilled to be playing anywhere for $11 million. But, he is nearing the end of his career and home is home, I guess. His family may have had a hard time adjusting to being in Canada. Who knows?

    Pretty lame if you ask me, but it worked out for both sides. Granted, I bet Rolen’s attitude would have changed towards playing Toronto if we were winning.

  5. welikeroywelikeroy


    Thank you for the very nice comment. I do think I look better as a cartoon sketch. Who would have thought?

    I have to tell you, this Halladay mess has been terrible for me. I don’t think we have the kind of that appreciate a player like Halladay. But with a losing team, a story hungry media (the Jays winning was supposed to be the story) and a bleak outlook for the future. Who can blame them??? We have made mistakes with player loyalty in the past … see Vernon Wells.

    These trade rumours about my favorite player bite, but if we aren’t contending next year, it will have to be done. Also, if we can really get a good prospect package in the offseason. Something we didn’t get this time around.

  6. heartruss

    I’m with you.. all these trade rumors stress me out. One such rumor had James Loney, Russell Martin and Billingsley or Kershaw going for Halladay or Lee. Yikes!! I know the Dodgers were/are interested in Halladay.
    I am so attached to the Dodgers that the thought of losing any scares me. I was upset when Delwyn Young was sent to the Pirates. By the way, I am very happy having Sherrill.

  7. jimmy27nyy

    Hi, Jeremy …

    Well, Roy Halladay is still a member of the Blue Jays; so, I’m sure all Toronto fans are very happy that no trade was made … From all reports it looked like Halladay would be traded to some team, but I would have been very surprised if he was traded to another team in the AL EAST … As a Yankees fan, I am just happy he didn’t end up with the Red Sox or Rays — [especially, the Red Sox] !!! … At least Toronto did not just give “Doc” away like the Cleveland Indians did with their top two stars: Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez !!! … It really is a shame that teams like Cleveland and Pittsburg are forced to trade away all their best players because of “monetary” concerns !!! … This is the “negative” part of free-agency that has ruined the small-market teams … I don’t know what the answer is, but as long as the rules are as they are, all teams still have to do what is best for their organization, always trying to improve their teams !!! … As “they” say, “follow the money” for the answers , I guess !!!
    Anyway, I look forward to tomorrow’s game against the Blue Jays … Andy Pettitte vs. Roy “Doc” Halladay is a great matchup; but, if the trade winds had shifted in a different direction, maybe, just maybe, this would have been Halladay’s first start as a Yankee vs. his former teammates !!! … Just dreaming of a starting rotation of: CC, A.J., Joba, Andy, and Doc !!! … Maybe, “follow the money” in a couple of years.
    Take care, Jeremy !!! … Enjoy the two game series vs. the Yanks starting tomorrow !!!
    — Jimmy 27NYY Curran, “BY&L”

  8. redstatebluestate

    Exactly my point. You think Rickey Henderson wanted to play in Toronto in ’93 being that far away from Oakland? Rickey probably didn’t even know where Toronto was but he went cuz that’s what you do when you’re a “professional” baseball player. I hate to hear millionaires complain about how rough their lives are playing away from home. I work away from home and I make about .003 percent of what Rolen makes this year. Ridiculous.

  9. cookandsonbats

    you’ll be better out without Rolen. He was allegedly great when he was with the Phils, but that didn’t stop him from striking out in every at bat that ever meant anything at all.
    BTW, we’re planning our first trip to Toronto and the *Skydome* Please feel free to arrange for your Blue Jays to lose to my Mariners. You know, for the betterment of my family road trip. Thanks!

  10. raysrenegade

    Glad and sad that the Doc is still making house calls in a Jays jersey.
    But in the end, the deals were not enough to “wow” the Jays.
    Glad he can help us with our current Red Sox/Yankee standing situation in the coming weeks.
    But sad he will be doing the same to us.
    The greatest thing about him still being there is they still feel they can be competitive in 2010.
    And I think Doc loves to hear that too.

    Rays Renegade

  11. jobrown

    Hi buddy! Our two two teams are meeting again tonight at Rogers. Which team? Hoho you know 🙂 Very nice blog by the way, I hope we’lle have to communicate again about baseball man.

  12. raysfanboy

    You are right on with the value they got for Rolen. The minor league guys, that is. I don’t see Encarnacion helping you now or in the future. Unless Ricciardi is a genius and sees a new venue as a catalyst for Edwin’s numbers coming up. I just don’t see it. The other guys you got sound good according to your breakdown, so it sounds like you won that trade.

  13. xcicix

    I don’t get why Halladay wanted to be traded NOW. He still has that one more year left on his contract and he should have waited till next year because who knows with the Jays?
    It really is too bad about Rolen. He’s a great player, defensively and offensively, and he’s got the power numbers. Hopefully, he’ll be a leader in the Cincy clubhouse and will continue to produce.
    Is that commercial available on youtube?

  14. welikeroywelikeroy


    I never really heard Loney being thrown, although I think he is a great player, you guys really need him. I don’t see that being a possibility. I heard the from the Dodgers the Jays may have been offered any ONE of those guys Kershaw, Billingsly and Martin. Then a couple mid level propects in your system, like Lambo and MacDonald. I don’t think Colletti was even going to conceed that! So, it wasn’t a match with the Dodgers.


    Not as sad as me I’ll tell ya and don’t worry I’m always late. Work usually only gives me time watch the game and rest my body.


    That would be a pretty amazing rotation! I’d say it is a possiblity after 2010, if Doc is traded or not?. I know Doc will command large bucks, and that is the Yankees edge over pretty much every other team in baseball. Doc wanting to play in the postseason is more of the issue than monetary concerns in this case. It would tear me apart to see him beating us as a Yank, though.

    Red State,

    I agree. I don’t who a player can just ask that? I like Rolen, so for the sake of me still liking him, I hope it was more of just a loose request, rather than a demand.

    CookandSon Bat makers,

    I hope you and your son have a good time at the Skydome (I like that name much better than the Rogers Centre too). The M’s had Halladay and the Jays number in Seatlle, although they were close games. I have to admit, that Ichiro walkoff hit AMAZED me, even though it came to the dismay of my team. The technology around the Dome is what might catch you from first glance … I hear that from other people at least.

    Rays Renegade,

    The one thing we have is a very young rotation, that will just get better with experience. How much better? Yet to be seen, but I too wouldn’t fold my hand just yet on 2010. Sorry we couldn’t beat the Yankees to tonight for you.


    Hello my friend. Thank you for the comment. I take this blog lightly (e.g. no a lot proofreading/editing or great writing skill), but I have fun with it. The people on MLBlogs also make it a lot fun. Big win for the Yanks, a very solid club this year!

    Rays Fan BBOYY!

    Thanks for comment on our newly aquired young pitchers. Still early, but Stewart definately has have shot up in the Scout minds of Baseball America, I’d think. I don’t think too much of Encarnacion either, but as you know with Longoria, third baseman can be drafted, scouted, aquired with more ease than other positions. We have a relatively young player named Ryan Dopirak doing well in AAA, maybe he could step into that role?. He would have to change position though! We will see what the Jays do?

  15. welikeroywelikeroy


    I think it got blown out of proportion in the media. Halladay said that it might be in the best interest of the team to trade him, since the chances of him re-signing with the Jays are bleak. He said that depending on what happens in 2010. Is that asking to be traded? Kind of, but I think the Jays will be able to get at least ONE good prospect in Halladay’s contract year at the 2010. The Indians did it with C.C.

    The Rolen commerical. Yes it is on Youtube!!! Great question. Sorry, I feel ignorant for not posting it. It is not drop dead hilarious, but my sense of humour finds it quite comical. Check it out.

    Here it is:

    Thank you for the comment, always appreciated.

  16. crazy19canuck

    Jeremy – Had a great time at the HOF. My daughter loved the pink uniform! Hope the Jays can come back and beat the Yanks tomorrow. That commercial still cracks my mom up, the Burnett one with the newspaper and garbage truck was better. 🙂

  17. xcicix

    Thanks for posting it the url!
    It was pretty funny. I liked the drive-thru guy’s last line, “Hey, Scott, what are you doing this weekend?”
    You are definitely right about the Halladay thing. It totally got blown up into this huge thing that none of the other trades were.

  18. diamondgirl55

    Tough loss last night but it’s always easier to accept the loss when it’s against the Yankees for me at least…but then again it makes me cringe when we lose to them…so I have no idea what I’m talking about. Hehe. It’s ok, you guys can get them in the next two!!! xoxo

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